Comments on: who called whom http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/ When it's sin versus grace, grace wins hands down. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:04:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Michelle http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1525 Michelle Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:13:58 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1525 Once again, shaking what I thought I believed in a very good way! Gosh, Serena, you seriously have some great spiritual insight. Praise God! :) Once again, shaking what I thought I believed in a very good way! Gosh, Serena, you seriously have some great spiritual insight. Praise God! :)

]]> By: Sisterlisa http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1497 Sisterlisa Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:41 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1497 This is wonderful, as is the second part of this series. When fellowships become so large that people can't ask questions then it gets out of hand. Prophets are subject to prophets and teachers subject to teachers. When they don't question one another in love to establish and confirm with one another what God is showing them, then those who are students don't get a clearer picture of the Truth. Being a prophet and teacher requires humility among one another. They need to receive correction when they are get off track. I believe in small groups and open communication during teaching. It helps the unity, trust is developed, and the assembly as a whole can remain subject to Christ as the head. Give a 'leader' too much room without question and he becomes victim to the enemy in becoming a cult leader. About 'reformed' I believe the written word says we are to be 'renewed'. The two are very different from one another. Conforming to Jesus Christ is different than reforming into the thoughts of a human teacher. This is wonderful, as is the second part of this series. When fellowships become so large that people can't ask questions then it gets out of hand. Prophets are subject to prophets and teachers subject to teachers. When they don't question one another in love to establish and confirm with one another what God is showing them, then those who are students don't get a clearer picture of the Truth. Being a prophet and teacher requires humility among one another. They need to receive correction when they are get off track.

I believe in small groups and open communication during teaching. It helps the unity, trust is developed, and the assembly as a whole can remain subject to Christ as the head. Give a 'leader' too much room without question and he becomes victim to the enemy in becoming a cult leader.

About 'reformed' I believe the written word says we are to be 'renewed'. The two are very different from one another. Conforming to Jesus Christ is different than reforming into the thoughts of a human teacher.

]]> By: April http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1488 April Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:02:09 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1488 gotcha. :) gotcha. :)

]]> By: Serena Woods http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 Serena Woods Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:47:24 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1487 Hi, April: that's why I put 'choose Christ' in quotations. The purpose of the quotation is to say something in a way that I wouldn't naturally say, but others do. You said, roughly, the same thing my husband said when I made him answer the questions. You're (both) correct because 'surrender' is a response to something. In this case, it's the 'call.' So it magnifies the point, you can't 'choose Christ' unless He's chosen you. Hi, April: that’s why I put ‘choose Christ’ in quotations. The purpose of the quotation is to say something in a way that I wouldn’t naturally say, but others do.

You said, roughly, the same thing my husband said when I made him answer the questions. You’re (both) correct because ‘surrender’ is a response to something. In this case, it’s the ‘call.’

So it magnifies the point, you can’t ‘choose Christ’ unless He’s chosen you.

]]> By: Serena Woods http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1492 Serena Woods Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:42:35 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1492 Rod: I don't know what 'reformed' means, but I'd like to have a conversation with Spurgeon. Rod: I don't know what 'reformed' means, but I'd like to have a conversation with Spurgeon.

]]> By: Rod http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 Rod Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:21:46 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1489 Serena, Good word. Are you reformed in your doctrine? I agree wholeheartedly that God chooses us, we do not choose Him. We don't "accept" Christ, we simply acknowledge Him. Sadly, too many Christians are not more intentional about the words we use and therefore miscommunicate about how we get to heaven. Spurgeon says it best, "God had to choose me before the foundation of the world because he certainly would not have chosen me afterward." Serena,

Good word. Are you reformed in your doctrine? I agree wholeheartedly that God chooses us, we do not choose Him. We don't "accept" Christ, we simply acknowledge Him. Sadly, too many Christians are not more intentional about the words we use and therefore miscommunicate about how we get to heaven. Spurgeon says it best, "God had to choose me before the foundation of the world because he certainly would not have chosen me afterward."

]]> By: April http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1486 April Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:34:00 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1486 Serena, you asked, "Is it true that some people will not choose Christ?" and then went on to say that noone can choose Christ. So, that doesn't make sense to me. We definitely can choose to respond to the holy spirit, and that is what I meant when I answered yesterday. Surrender is a choice. This is why I have a problem with Vacation Bible School alter calls. Masses of first graders will go running up to accept Christ as their Savior because their friends went up front... Serena, you asked, "Is it true that some people will not choose Christ?" and then went on to say that noone can choose Christ. So, that doesn't make sense to me.

We definitely can choose to respond to the holy spirit, and that is what I meant when I answered yesterday. Surrender is a choice. This is why I have a problem with Vacation Bible School alter calls. Masses of first graders will go running up to accept Christ as their Savior because their friends went up front…

]]> By: Serena Woods http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1485 Serena Woods Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:34:39 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1485 <b>They're human. They get confident and stop paying attention to their terminology. They take liberties with scripture to make a point they choose instead of letting scripture choose their point. They're human.</b> Just thoughts: <i>I'm reminded of what it was like, as a kid, to see your teacher at the grocery store. They're your teacher, the smartest people in the world and their only purpose is to teach you. Any sign of being a human is met with confusion and shock. They're a teacher first, then they're a human. They're judged by 'teacher' standards and not 'human' standards. They can't get sick, they can't get pregnant, they can't live at home (as opposed to school) they can't need groceries. It's cute coming from a kid, it's not cute coming from adults in a church.</i> They're human. They get confident and stop paying attention to their terminology. They take liberties with scripture to make a point they choose instead of letting scripture choose their point. They're human.

Just thoughts:

I'm reminded of what it was like, as a kid, to see your teacher at the grocery store. They're your teacher, the smartest people in the world and their only purpose is to teach you. Any sign of being a human is met with confusion and shock. They're a teacher first, then they're a human. They're judged by 'teacher' standards and not 'human' standards. They can't get sick, they can't get pregnant, they can't live at home (as opposed to school) they can't need groceries. It's cute coming from a kid, it's not cute coming from adults in a church.

]]> By: Dan http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1484 Dan Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:24:55 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1484 Why do you think our church leadership gets it wrong sometimes? This is great, by the way. Can't wait for tomorrow. Why do you think our church leadership gets it wrong sometimes?

This is great, by the way. Can't wait for tomorrow.

]]> By: Serena Woods http://www.graceisforsinners.com/god/who-called-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-1483 Serena Woods Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:09:51 +0000 http://www.graceisforsinners.com/?p=1497#comment-1483 Thanks, Cassie. :) Thanks, Cassie. :)

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