I wrote a blog about love the other day that received the following comment (click the underlined link if you want to read the blog):
So because “Love Wins on every level” discerning christians should just stand by and watch a man COMPLETELY trample on the truths of scripture….we should listen patiently while he disregards Christ’s incredible sacrifice as inconsequential…?? Because we don’t know what all of his thoughts are and “Love wins”….???
A THOUSAND TIMES NO!
You are correct that we only see in part….God has not revealed all to us…..but He HAS given us His word and it is CLEAR….
Romans 16: 17-18…… I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Everything Rob Bell is saying in his new book is contrary to the SOLID word of God! It is very pleasing to wordly ears……
We need to do as Jude urges…..
Jude 1:3…… Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
My response is something that I wanted everyone to read, so I am posting it here:
I am overwhelmed with kindness and the kind of patient love for you that I learned by God’s example in His dealings with me. All the while I do not understand why you hold disdain for me yet still read what I have to say. I can only give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you want, with everything in you, to be a ‘good’ Christian.
I am not sure why you are bringing up a book that I never mentioned nor have I read. Your entire comment is in response to something that I have not formed thoughts about and have not spoken about, therefore it makes your fight against something that has nothing to do with me. What, within in you, are you fighting? What is hurting you? I have to wonder why you are bringing your fight here. You even pretend that you are a separate person named Rebecca when you post something especially venomous. What draws you here? Maybe you need to know that you are loved. You are accepted. You are His precious little girl. He calls you Beloved. And… you are my sister. Destined to one day be friends in a Kingdom where we just might be neighbors. I can only hope for and choose to believe that. It helps keep my heart soft and open to you.
I will address the scriptures you quoted:
When you look up Romans 16, it’s talking about avoiding people who cause divisions and create obstacles. When I talk about love and you come in with strong opposition, what do you think that is? Are you representing division? Are you creating obstacles? Obstacles to what? The cross-reference scripture leads to this one:
The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. -1 Timothy 1:5-7 ESV
Obstacles to Love. Divisions over the law of Love.
By ’swerving’ from Love, ‘certain persons’ wander off into vain discussions about the law. They do not understand what they’re saying or what they are standing up for. We’re told to avoid them. Of all the people we think we should avoid, scripture actually says to avoid people who wander off from Love and assert the law.
When you read further into Colossians 2, you can find what ‘traditions’ or ‘elemental spirits of the world’ is referring to:
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. -Colossians 2:20-23 ESV
side note: “asceticism” means: “the practice of severe self-discipline and abstention from all forms of indulgence, typically for religious reasons”
In Christ, you died to ‘legalism’ (the elemental spirits of the world) and have to avoid those ‘human precepts and teachings.’ Why? Because your best is not good enough. Religion can’t save you. It has no value.
side note: “precepts” means: “a general rule intended to regulate behavior or thought”
You said: “Everything Rob Bell is saying in his new book is contrary to the SOLID word of God! It is very pleasing to wordly ears……”
Have you read it? Surely you wouldn’t speak so boldly against something you haven’t read. Surely you wouldn’t be basing all of your opinions and beliefs, on what others say.
What if the Holy Spirit is using his message to reach people? What if the Spirit of God is speaking to people through the message of love? I haven’t read the book, so these are just “what if’s”. Again, what if the Holy Spirit is using Rob Bell’s book? What does that say about all of those who are mocking it, rebuking it, and saying it’s from the devil?
When you reject the Holy Spirit and accredit his actions with evil, isn’t that blasphemy?
You mentioned Jude 1, did you read a bit further?
But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. -Jude 1:10 ESV
The people that Jude is talking about are those who pervert the grace of God by making it something that must be earned by keeping a set of rules. It doesn’t mean that a person can live selfishly, it means that they cannot earn grace. The cross-reference scripture for the verse following the one you quoted (the cross-reference for Jude 1:4) is Act 11:23 where Peter sees the grace of God, is glad about it, and tells the church to ‘remain steadfast’. ‘Steadfast is understood with the cross-reference scripture found in 2 Timothy 3.
You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness… – 2 Timothy 3:10 ESV
Steadfast in Love (and faith and patience). Those who preach grace and love have always been ‘persecuted’ (1 Timothy 3:11) but Peter, Paul, Jesus, me, and any other worker/disciple of Jesus must endure and remain committed.
side note: “steadfast” means: “resolutely or dutifully firm and unwavering”
UPDATE: Her response to me…
Serena….you were asked directly about th Rob Bell situation and you said THIS post answered your feelings……which means you are giving him the benefit of the doubt!
I believe in calling heretics what they are….. I have read enough portions of the book and have heard Rob Bell’s own words! He is a universalist and a heretic….He makes Christ’s sacrifice in vain……
I continue to read occasionally here because I am praying that you will see the great influence you have and how you are misusing it…. I have no disdain for you….I pity you……. I see you as distorting the gospel and profiting from it……I will no longer read however….you have a very inflated view of yourself and your own interpretations of scripture…..I think you seriously need to have a studied man of God evaluate your teachings!
We cannot be lukewarm….we cannot comopromise the truth of God’s righteous judgement in the name of love and understanding….we cannopt change the Lord into something that pleases man….He will spit us out! We are either hot or cold!
BTW….. I was not pretending to be someone else….if I had been doing that wouldn’t I have used a different e-mail?? Obviously you see the adresses….that is my middle name….I post under both occasionally…… but it doesn’t surprise me that you would be petty and demean me publicly…..that is what cornered people do! That post wasn’t venomous it was truthful!